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    After reading this (http://www.leylandii.com/faq.html "Will Leylandii grow back from brown wood?" it appears that they won't regenerate, i.e., will not grow back from coppicing or pollarding. Growing fence posts is a great idea!
     
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    read on another site ,that making them into living fence poles was or has been done , but for my own situation going to the bother of buying or sourcing some stock to plant out is a backwards step , firstly they are not a cheap sapling to buy over here--most stockists are charging 2 or 3 times as much than for scots pine---then they dont have any secondary use for me --looking at one of leylandii s parent --the nootka cypress--this has the same shallow rooting and growth ,but very good timber , so if i was to go for eco fence poles i would choose it over the leylandii---meanwhile heres a potential mate for my first parana pine --this ones only just over a year old ---so long way to go yet garden5 008.JPG
     
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    Now just in case some might think that i only buy in saplings or trees,--- loud trumpet fanfare noise ----and heres one of my new arrivels---its betula lenta--cherry/black birch---these are not stocked as bare root over here and only rarely found as potted trees --way above my price range ---i have tried to germinate seed for these many times--and now its happening---same way i have used before --but differant seed supply---birch do well on my ground and the forestry planted up behind me has a small block of it ---as a shield screen against the sitka---a law or requirement when sitka is planted up to or facing private homes.But its all silver birch and some has started to self seed in and around my place , i prefer the cherry birch --so when these get bigger they will be planted up to screen the silver birch and supply some winter green and later some sap i hope garden5 014.JPG
     
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    Has not been much garden/forest productivity lately due to our heavy rainfall ,hence my many postings---also been able to catch up on my reading about permaculture , being a drier based country where it started out ,conservation of water and restoration of water tables is a big factor ---well i am an almost exact opposite to this---my water table is above ground it seems and if i collect anymore of it or try to conserve it i believe the property will slide off its base and head on down to the river--i have been outdoors clearing ditches so the flow is kept up and fast moving , tons of water is working its way off the land as each night we experience long heavy downpours---but i do notice that where the soil is thick with mulch and friable no pools of water build up or last very long and its still possible the next day to walk over without sinking into it --as it eases up---notice i said eases ---it doesnt stop altogether --its just a bit lighter so we call it a mist or refer to it as being a bit damp--rather than call it rain as this would just be too much for the nervous system to handle .This bodes good news for the long term survival of my expected redwood saplings , reading up on them and it seems although they are capable of growing on many sites around the world the problem kicks in at around the 100 to 150 year old tree as it gains hight and the tree struggles to draw its water requiements higher--which is why it relies on soft rains and mists at this stage to keep on growing----so who ever is on my spot in the next 150 to 1000 years later on may have me to thank as these giant trees anchor the whole site to the ground and stop it floating off down to the river as climate change kicks in harder .Or they will have enough timber to build a large raft and float off safely to another spot.
     
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    I grew up in a very similar climate (Seattle area) with abundant rainfall. Super-saturated landslides are fairly common there during extended rain events. Small wetlands/rain gardens help to ease the flow of water, capture detritus/organic matter, create edge, and prevent erosion while giving surface water a path and keeping excessive water away from foundations and roadways.
     
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    Just planted out the last 5 of my coastal redwood --in anticipation of a good growing year to come --a great new year to all --enjoy and stay well -cheers
     
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    Thanks Antonius and back at you! We're planning on our annual new year's bonfire tonight and reflection on the year just past plus hopes for the upcoming year.
     
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    Doing my shed build has taken over my budget, so my usual habit this time of year was to buy bundles of bareroot trees and plant them out--having only loose change left i have spent this all on buying seeds --mostly of trees that we cant get here in ireland, Hoping to get some results from the effort, i find its a bit hit and miss as theres no way of determining seed freshness or age when you buy off the bay, but its a hobby and the surprises can happen. For the small fiddly stuff iI use recycled milk cartons--cut down and holes made in the base with my hot soldering iron --no need to take them out once they root up --just tear the bottom off the bag and plant it , But for the bigger seeds and nut types , I have found most of them dont like to be disturbed as much or even tolerate it when they have to be potted up to grow on for awhile longer until big enough to be above the grass and weeds when planted out in the final spot. So i make up these wooden long pots , made from off cuts for pallet making from the sawmills , so no treatments on it and i use old iron nails to hold it together---once grown out ,i will knock out the bottom /base and dig a hole to take the whole thing. DSC03789.jpg DSC03791.jpg
     
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    Did nt read through that, left out that i use those little seed bags bought of the bay or from the ali site, they are touted as being enviro friendly but i have never seen one rot away yet--but on the wider scale of plastic use in my gardening they are a lot less than countless small pots , i dont like to waste plastic as here in ireland we dont recycle any of it---its 95% landfill or gets exported in large compressed bales to processing plants in the uk or europe somewhere--destination unknown---i suspect our uk contacts have been re shipping ---more carbon miles---most of it ,along with a big batch of their own output /recycled stuff to the chinese. This practice has now been "tipped over" as china has just recently cut this intake by 50%. The missing 5% of our plastic --only a rough guess from me ----is fired out of car windows into our hedgerows and verges to vividly decorate all our roadways , and a figure thats likely to rise , ---we do have a very small recycled plastic use . The black plastic silage bale wrapping is collected from farms and processed into fencing stakes and 8x4 panels like plywood sheets---i cant establish if this is carried out by our own manufacturing or is sent away ---again---to be remade---and then brought back to us to be sold. But the concept of recycling lives on in our imagination quite comfortably as it gives the warm cozy fuzzy feeling of being green.
     
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    I have been trying to validate my use of non native trees lately , and trying to get to a useful balance of natives and nons --according to our national tree council and reasearch , ireland has a low diversity or range of trees species as we were cut off from europe /mainland quite suddenly as the icesheets retreated so we didnt get our full quota that green nature dished out across england and the rest of europe. Many of our natives also seem to have been hacked down to extinction as far back in human occupation to stone age even, and were in some cases re introduced by early man later on , as iron came in and large movements of trade and people by barge and boat increased , this depletion of our very large trees accelerated .Even Stoneage people were building very big skip type boats --made from 50 to 60 foot long by 3 to 4 feet or more-- wide planks knotted and tied together, as technology learnt to adapt and use smaller trees , these too were harvested very quickly, so by the time the vikings and then the last of the english navy had taken their full --our forests were remnants and not only the giants had gone--but even the odd cruk shaped were taken to make hull ribs . So trying to bring back our forests to original state or even just trying to replant a resemblance of it --were or at which point to start, i also have to be practical as i am on 2 acres and would like to be feeding us from a food forest a bit more and to suit our more dainty and timid palates we have acquired in modern ireland. I dont see the food value in planting out native oak in large numbers as the process required to make acorns palatable is long and harsh , animals yes they love it ---and i could eat them ---but the other side to this ---i wont be around to harvest an acorn as the oak will take decades before it starts to crop in any large quantity. So the Holm and Cork oaks would be better to concentrate on ---i just might see a bowl or two out of them , our entire landscape has been under intense cultivation for thousands of years already , so what may look wild and untamed to eyes at first is really just a few hundred at most years of neglect ,and remote uneconomic/too dangerous to access stunted growth , this doesnt mean it should be clear felled or ignored i feel--as these surviours are likely to hold the genetic clues and solutions to our continued squatting /occupation of this patch in the atlantic ocean.
     

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