A list of links from permaculturists that recognize David's role follows a couple of pages down but first some context. As many of you may be aware, Craig and Geoff have recently launched a Q&A video series on this site (i.e., PRI Australia). No doubt it will be a useful addition to a website which already has so many valuable resources. Given my appreciation of the work of both Craig and Geoff, and of their readiness to share their knowledge, I regret that I must now, of necessity, offer some criticisms. My concerns are about Geoff’s response to the first question on the first Q&A video. The question, submitted by “Matto”, was as follows: “My question to Geoff Lawton would be why is David Holmgren not credited to being a co-founder of Permaculture in his video, Introduction to Permaculture, as well as not being credited on the PRI site introduction. This is not a clerical oversight, and I know that Bill has slowly excluded David out of his stories of where he got the "vision" of permaculture, even though Permaculture One was based largely David's thesis and research from 1976.” Geoff’s answer defended, on various grounds, his view, as expressed in his latest video “How to Survive the Coming Crises” and on this PRI Australia website, that Bill Mollison alone founded permaculture. I should make it clear, before I say anything further, that I am not writing this as a friend or supporter of David Holmgren. I met David at a PDC that I did at the Food Forest in 2011. I had several conversations with him over the course of the PDC. I found him to be a likeable person, who had a broad range of challenging ideas and an impressive depth of knowledge; and he expressed his opinions through nuanced, measured, arguments. But even if I had found David to be an unlikable and uninteresting person I would still be writing what follows because my motivation is simply to reassert broadly acknowledged facts about the history of permaculture. I ask myself: How can I, and so many of my friends, have been labouring under a delusion FOR THE PAST 34 YEARS that permaculture was developed JOINTLY by Bill and David? [I will discuss Geoff’s definition of the “permaculture movement” as an entity distinct from, and more significant than, the permaculture design system, in a subsequent post.] I first heard about permaculture on Terry Lane’s show on ABC local radio, Melbourne, in the late 1970’s. I remember that there was an instant buzz about Bill and David’s revolutionary new system because it offered significant hope that we could turn away from the path of environmental destruction by designing highly productive ecosystems into the fabric of our everyday lives. You might say the birth of a “movement” was in the air, and indeed, Permaculture Nambour was already established in Queensland two or three years before I first heard about permaculture in 1978-9. All this happened just at the beginning of what became, for me, many years of intense involvement in environmental campaigns. Permaculture held particular significance for environmentalists of that time. In Australia, the campaigns for nature conservation and wilderness preservation had strong Tasmanian roots stemming from the Lake Pedder and Franklin Dam campaigns. Permaculture shared these Tasmanian roots, and so, many people involved in these environmental campaigns did permaculture courses and/or embraced permaculture’s evolving ethics. As a consequence, permaculture was often discussed as part of the way we saw our future, and very many of us around Australia have—rusted-in to our formative years—an indelible memory of the genesis of permaculture with Bill and David, in Tasmania, in a special time that also spawned our most distressing failures, our most cherished successes, and other environmental landmarks; like the founding of the world’s first Green Party (the UTG) and the establishment of some of Australia’s first organic farming networks. This is important history, not just for those who experienced it, but also for those who wish to understand the patterns of social forces that can lead a community toward a future of environmental stewardship—this history should not be messed with. As a reality check on the foregoing personal perspective I asked myself: Who else thinks permaculture was co-developed by Bill AND David? A quick survey of the Web yielded the following results: 1. The editor of PRI Australia (presumably it was Craig at the time) on this very website introduced an article from Bill Mollison titled “Desert Ways”, dated 19 Nov 2008, and used the following words: “Permaculture co-founder Bill Mollison has spent time in many of the world’s arid regions and here shares his observations on surviving in some of them.” see: https://permaculturenews.org/2008/11/19/desert-ways/#more-882 2. Later on in Geoff’s Q&A video #1 responses he mentioned Darren Doherty as one of the people whose work in permaculture/land use he admires. In March 2009, again in an article on this website, Darren referred to Bill as the “Permaculture co-originator” see: https://permaculturenews.org/2009/03/16/keyline-design-mark-iv/#more-1177 3. In October 2009, again in an article on this website, Jill Ross, from PRI USA referred to Bill as “Permaculture co-founder” see: https://permaculturenews.org/2009/10/25/got-water/ 4. In September 2010, again in an article on this website from “Ecofilms” (from the 2010 Permaculture Convergence), Bill was again referred to as “the co-founder of Permaculture” see: https://permaculturenews.org/category/events-resources-news/social-gatherings/page/5/ 5. Robin Francis refers to Bill as the “co-founder of permaculture” on her website see: https://permaculture.com.au/online/articles/what-is-permaculture 6. Permaculture Australia state that: “Bill Mollison and David Holmgren created the Permaculture design system in the late 1970s while living in Hobart, Tasmania.” see: https://permacultureaustralia.org.au/permaculture-the-beginnings/ This is followed by brief, equally prominent summaries of their contributions. 7. The evergreen US website “Permaculture Activist” states: “The word "permaculture" was coined and popularized in the mid 70's by David Holmgren, a young Australian ecologist, and his associate / professor, Bill Mollison.” They go on to give an extensive profile of both David and Bill and list their contrasting but largely compatible sets of “permaculture principles” from their later independent work, see: https://permacultureactivist.net/intro/PcIntro.htm#History 8. Graham and Annemarie Brookman of the Food Forest, South Australia, see: https://www.foodforest.com.au/permaculture design certificate 09.html state the following: “David Holmgren co-originator of the concept of permaculture, will be presenting during the first part of the course. …In 2003 David published “Permaculture: Principles & Pathways Beyond Sustainability”, a book which is the first significant development on the permaculture concept since Bill Mollison’s “Permaculture: A Designers’ Manual” which was published in 1988. David’s teaching expounds permaculture for this millenium, freed of the necessity to justify some of the now publicly accepted environmental concepts which occupied so much time in the traditional course.” The Brookman’s did their PDC with Bill many years ago, and they (and David) readily acknowledge the impetus that came from Bill’s decision to start teaching permaculture, and eventually the PDCs, as early as he did. However they regard David as an outstanding teacher too and have a longstanding association with him as a presenter of their PDC’s. Furthermore, their assessment of the significance of David’s book “Permaculture: Principles and Pathways Beyond Sustainability” is, in my experience, a commonly held view which illustrates that permaculture is progressing along many paths—and not everyone is following in Bill’s footsteps. My intended message is too long and so I will have to conclude this thread opener in my next post; please stay tuned.