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    have just found out mulberry cuttings are excellent goat food so we want to grow more mulberry trees

    we already have one tree - just a ordinary red mulberry -so can we grow more from cuttings ?

    and if so has anyone got any tips as to the best method ..... what mulberrys need etc

    thanks frosty
    Only after the last tree has been cut down,
    only after the last river has been poisoned,
    only after the last fish has been caught.
    only then will you find
    that money cannot be eaten"
    Chief Seattle

  • #2
    Mulberries cuttings are really easy. I think the plants are really adaptable too. If you get the fodder cuttings back from the goats before they debark the stems you could probably use those pieces as propagation material.
    caretaking 14 acres of ridge and gully land at Huelo, Maui. 400-500 ft above sea level
    wet tropics/subtropics

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    • #3
      Frosty,

      For once your deep sand will be an advantage. Mulberries are very adaptable but they do like sand. You can plant cuttings into sand and prunings direct. Mulberry is an excellent fodder source for most animals.

      I suspect in your area they may need a bit of frost protection in the first year.

      cheers

      floot

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      • #4
        I believe the only downfall of growing mulberry's from cuttings is that they are not as strongly rooted (they dont develop the long tap root)

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        • #5
          thanks everyone

          richard what a great idea that way the goats can have their mulberrys and we can plant them too :lol: :lol: as long as we are quick !

          floot is it better to plant them direct or put them in water until they get some roots ?

          mulberrys do seem to like it here it is the only one of our fruit trees that has much fruit

          we have been struggling to grow tagas but if we can strike the mulberrys will give up tagas in favour of mulberries !

          and we dont have frost !

          byp that may be a problem because we will have to drip irrigate them as well - everything dies here without summer water - and we have trouble getting trees to put down deep roots.

          frosty
          Only after the last tree has been cut down,
          only after the last river has been poisoned,
          only after the last fish has been caught.
          only then will you find
          that money cannot be eaten"
          Chief Seattle

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          • #6
            Frosty,

            I am a fan of trying things. So I would plant some direct, some into a box of sand in a shadehouse and some into water, for plants like mulberry. That's just me as a find it is not often that all 3 ways work all the time for whatever reason.

            I have never grown tagas but from all of my reading etc they should be prime plants for you, and apparently easily established too. Dont worry frosty, not for the first time I have seen this happen that for some reason one person/place cant grow a particular plant that grows like a weed for their neighbours.

            I had this very scenario with white mulberries. I tried several times with cuttings [in pots] and no success. I eventually took cuttings when the tree was under absolute stress, hadnt been watered for months, losing its leaves etc and tried the ''3 ways'' thing and they all struck. I had a similar thing with dogwood/rosewood [dunno the latin] and eventually I found a 6' long cutting on the side of the road and buried that about 2' in with a posthole digger and that was growing nicely till a grassfire nailed it....

            Frosty, a suggestion for your drip irrigation. When you first plant a tree put the dripper close and dont mulch too close to the tree. After you know it is established [a couple of months] dig a hole maybe a foot deep and a foot away from the tree and put the dripper in that and cover it with mulch. This will push the tree into looking for water and also let water get down to the root zone. I think you are in an area that the sand sheds water ie the water will run all over the place and not sink in. This will help that.

            cheers

            floot

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            • #7
              That's interesting Floot, about the white mulberry. I have been told emphatically that the only way they will propagate is marcott, or air layering... I have even repeated that information... :lol:
              caretaking 14 acres of ridge and gully land at Huelo, Maui. 400-500 ft above sea level
              wet tropics/subtropics

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              • #8
                Ive had huge sucess with mulberry cuttings without even meaning to, I pruned my black mulberry alittle bit last year and as I recycle everything in the garden as I dont have a shredder of any type and the pruning where quite woody I decided to cut them up with sceaturs (spelling?) and throw them on the front "ornamental" garden with the other excess green waste to mulch in-situ

                Fast forward abit, I noticed these green shoots shooting up in the front garden and noticed they where any of the normal weedy plants that come up here so I left them for alittle bit just to watch them.

                Turn out they where mulberrys, without even trying I had propagated 40 or so mulberry trees...

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                • #9
                  Richard,

                  I was surprised at the success of the shatoot. The reason it was under stress is because my pal moved off the property after it was destroyed by flood and finished off by a nasty divorce.

                  We went out there about a year later and the tree was still alive, but only just. Sadly, I planted 4 trees [in case] and lost them to a later flood as they were only babies and the water was over them for a couple of months and I wasnt there to rescue them.

                  When I get back to Katherine I will check the original tree to see if it has miraculously survived and take some more cuttings.

                  floot

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                  • #10
                    back when I started this topic we put 6 cuttings in a pot in sand and put the pot in the shallow part of the pond

                    wealso put about another 8 in a old leaky bucket just standing in the water

                    the ones in water got leaves almost straight away but still show no signs of getting roots

                    we potted 2 putting on back into the pond and one down in the veggie garden where in gets the sprinkler ....... both have withered

                    the cuttings we put straight into pots never shot and when we looked their were no roots just the bark had rotted near the bottom

                    any ideas on what we are doing wrong ?

                    frosty
                    Only after the last tree has been cut down,
                    only after the last river has been poisoned,
                    only after the last fish has been caught.
                    only then will you find
                    that money cannot be eaten"
                    Chief Seattle

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                    • #11
                      sounds like maybe too much water frosty, just keep your cutting mix moist,talk to them abit tellem they lovely little mulberries
                      'The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.'
                      Masanobu Fukuoka

                      'People thought I was talking about gardens - few realised we were selling the softest form of total revolution. Self-reliance is seditious.'
                      Bill Mollison.

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                      • #12
                        I usually expect to get less than 50% strike rate and so just make lots of cuttings. I don't know if my methods are inferior or if this is just how it goes. They can look pretty dead and then come to life for no reason. When I said before that they are easy, I meant it like; you just stick a bunch of cuttings into some mix and some of them grow. Not so much that every one will grow...
                        It may be that the wood you are trying isn't the right age? I would generally go for cuttings that aren't too old, but aren't the new years growth... but then I think I have had success with old ones and young ones.
                        Do you have any willow growing anywhere near you? You can make a "rooting hormone tea" by soaking willow cuttings in a bucket, and putting your other cuttings in the bucket with them. You can plant the willow cuttings too...
                        Did you try soaking any of your cuttings in water before planting? Just plain water might help stimulate roots...
                        caretaking 14 acres of ridge and gully land at Huelo, Maui. 400-500 ft above sea level
                        wet tropics/subtropics

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                        • #13
                          I tried to grow white mulberry cuttings earlier this year without success
                          (White Mulberry has very sweet fruit and the birds don't get them)

                          Every other Greek garden has them growing along with figs, grapes, lemons etc
                          so it can't be too hard.
                          I am about to try again
                          I might try an asprin or willow water and soak them in that first

                          I have found this on the web. Seems you need hardwood cuttings and can grow them from seed or root cuttings
                          http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/loa ... 94.html?10
                          This is from the Univ of FL...
                          on red mulb.


                          Propagation by Cuttings
                          Cutting type: secondary
                          Time of year to take cuttings: spring
                          Cutting maturity: hardwood
                          Rooting hormone : IBA Quick Dip 12000 PPM
                          Rooting environment : intermittent mist
                          Soil temperature for best rooting : 70-80 degrees F
                          Comment: It could be propagated by root cuttings in spring.

                          Propagation by Seed
                          Time of year to collect seed: summer
                          Time of year to sow seed: spring
                          Seed treatment : stratify 40F 2-3mo.
                          Time required for germination : 1-2 weeks
                          Comment: The germination environment temperature is 86 degrees F during the dayand 68 degrees F at night. Beds need mulch and half shade.

                          Propagation by Grafting
                          Time of year to graft: early spring
                          Type of graft: 'T'
                          this is good
                          The white mulberry is the most cold-hardy of the three species,

                          Sprig budding is the most common method for grafting mulberries. A T-cut is made in the rootstock and a smooth, sloping cut is made on the lower end of the scion. The scion is then inserted into the T and wrapped and sealed. Other types of grafts are also usually successful, although there may be incompatibility between white and black mulberries.

                          Hardwood, softwood and root cuttings also are suitable methods for propagating mulberries. Softwood cuttings of white mulberries root easily when taken in midsummer and treated with rooting hormone. Red mulberries are less easily rooted. Black mulberries are also somewhat difficult to propagate since they tend to bleed a lot.
                          http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mulberry.html
                          Never seen a red mulberry. They list quite a few varieties at this site never seen them in OZ. Anyone know of a mulberry specialist nursery?

                          Kids love Mulberry Trees- three local kids have got their orders in for me to produce them one- so far I have failed. Not only do they love to eat them I think they like having red messy faces and they love growing silkworms
                          Silkworms will eat the foliage although it's the White Mulberry (Morus alba) that they really favour.
                          http://www.abc.net.au/gardening/stories/s302479.htm

                          I have a mulberry story.

                          A good friend had a huge black mulberry at his back door. He complained that the kids trod them into the house and the birds craped them everywhere. As a surprise present I went to a nursery and got him a White Mulberry. I told him about it and he was delighted. He planted it next to his other mulberry (Which he hoped he could talk the kids into chopping down once he had a satisfactory substitute).
                          The white mulberry grew gangbusters and in a few years fruited
                          Yes you know
                          Black
                          He has never forgiven me. The kids and the trees are now huge. The mess at fruiting time is amazing.
                          "You can fix all the world's problems in a garden. .Most people don't know that" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohI6vnWZmk
                          Music can solve all the world's problems. Not many people know that- MA 2005
                          "Politicians will never solve 'The Problem' because they don't realise that they are the problem" R Parsons 2001

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                          • #14
                            Floot I was told you can't grow white mulberries this far north (lecturer at TAFE Horticulture course) and a few books. Well there you go. I was also told they taste heavenly so I might have to source some seedlings now.

                            Richard from Maui, is it tropical where you live & how do you grow willows if it is? I thought they were only a cold climate tree.
                            Golleey, just look how much you can learn from this sort of forum. :lol:
                            "I cannot give you the formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure, which is: Try to please everybody."

                            --Herbert Bayard Swope, 1882-1958

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                            • #15
                              Rose,

                              A few of properties in Katherine have the white mulberry.

                              Also.. I have seen photos of willow trials at the CSIRO farm in Katherine dating back to the 50s. They were a real success, so much of a success they were concerned about it being a weed. Some of them reached over 20' in one year [I think from seed].

                              When I get back to Katherine I will grab a few cuttings and get you one.

                              Cheers

                              floot

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